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It is my pleasure to publish below a valuable article written for the ITC Journal years ago by the late Professor David Fontana. Its pertinence and wisdom are certainly valid today  as much as they were when he wrote it.

 

ITC AND THE DEMANDS OF SCIENCE

Professor David Fontana, Ph.D., FBPsS
Past President Society for Psychical Research

I very much sympathise with Nils Jacobson (ITC Journal March 2000) when he  writes of the difficulties of convincing scientific colleagues of the reality of ITC, and I would like to add my own thoughts to the points that he raises.
It is now 36 years since the publication of Friedrich Jürgenson’s ‘Voices From Space’ (‘Rösterna Från Rymden’), and 32 years since Raudive published the original German version of ‘Breakthrough’ (‘Unhörbares Wird Hörbar) drawing the attention of the world to ITC (or to EVP as it was then called). During that time we have had an extraordinary range of published and unpublished ITC material allegedly produced paranormally through modern technological media (in particular through tape recorders, video players, radios and telephones), while only one serious research-based book of any particular note has appeared in English querying the validity of the phenomena (Ellis 1978). The conclusions reached by Ellis were that the voices he heard on tape under carefully controlled conditions were in all likelihood due to normal rather than paranormal causes, citing in  particular stray radio frequencies picked up either by the microphone cable acting as an aerial (and originating from local short-wave radios such as those used by the police), or from the air waves (from national networks).
Wish-fulfilling interpretations of what these very indistinct voices were actually saying did the rest.
However, Ellis carried out the great majority of his experimental work with  Raudive, and language differences (the messages that came through during the experiments were primarily in Latvian, German and Russian) posed unavoidable problems. Although Ellis conducted extensive interviews with other researchers, and had the opportunity to listen to some of their recordings, his main concern was to obtain positive results under fully controlled conditions. The fact that he failed to do so proved a cause of disappointment for him, and led to his largely unfavourable conclusions.
David Ellis’ book was not a best-seller, but in view of his credentials as a serious researcher (his investigation into ITC was funded by the prestigious Perrott-Warrick Bequest, administered by Trinity College, University of Cambridge) and his generally supportive attitude towards paranormal phenomena (he was and still is an active member of the Society for Psychical Research, and Production Editor of the Society’s journal), his results were widely respected by fellow scientists, and can be said to have had a major influence upon scientific attitudes towards the validity of ITC, providing us with one of the main reasons why the phenomena are  still not taken seriously even by the majority of parapsychologists, much to the disappointment of the large groups of workers in Europe and America who consider that they are producing ever more impressive results.
I can understand this disappointment. I have been given (and been shown) many good examples of ITC by researchers, and in the Scole investigations undertaken by Montague Keen, Professor Arthur Ellison and myself (Keen, Ellison and Fontana 2000) we were ourselves present when remarkable results were obtained under good control conditions using a tape recorder from which the microphone had been removed (and in the absence of any white noise or other sound input). Space does not allow me to go into details, but among the most noteworthy features of these results were firstly that in addition to the sounds registering on the tape we actually heard them loudly and clearly while they were being received, and secondly that they included a piece of classical music which, through one of the mediums present during the experiment, we were told was being offered as a treat to Monty Keen (it transpired that the piece concerned had deep emotional  associations for him from his childhood days, a fact known only to himself). Attempts to explain these results by normal means has so far proved unsuccessful. And just as Ellis (ibid 1978) assures us that he did not doubt Raudive’s integrity, so my two fellow researchers and myself had no cause to doubt the integrity of the group producing these results at any time during the two years of our investigations with them.
Thus I fully appreciate the frustrations felt by those who have been reporting their own results for many years, but who still feel themselves to be ignored not only by orthodox science but by much of the parapsychological community. However, science proceeds by the scientific method, a method which has proved very successful in dealing with the material world. And as ITC involves material phenomena, it is perfectly reasonable (if very annoying) that scientists should demand that ITC phenomena be demonstrable under the tightly controlled conditions which form an essential part of this method. It therefore may be helpful if, as a scientist, I outlined some ways in which ITC research could yield results  that will go some way towards satisfying the scientific community. I fully realise that others have already sought to list these ways elsewhere, and that many workers consider they have already produced reliable results under the conditions involved, but nevertheless it is worth re-emphasising what these conditions are.
Some of the Conditions Necessary to Satisfy Scientists

  1. To avoid the possibility of audio-visual equipment picking up stray fragments of short-wave or radio broadcasts, the equipment needs to be placed within a screened enclosure (a Faraday cage). This I know is a contentious requirement. When the messages received contain information directly related to previous questions placed upon the tape by researchers, or when they contain names or other details relating to the researchers, the stray radio signals explanation is difficult or even impossible to sustain. Nevertheless, critics will always look for a loophole, however small, in any psychical research experiment, and having found it will gratefully worm their way through it, destroying in the process the credibility of the results which they are criticising. The use of screened equipment closes off one such loophole.
    2. To minimise the possibility of uncontrolled sounds from the researchers or from the environment appearing on the tapes and being misinterpreted as paranormal, the microphone can be removed from the equipment. As indicated above, this was the policy adopted at the Scole investigation. Under certain circumstances it is still possible for a machine without a microphone to pick up stray sounds, but the likelihood is relatively small, particularly in the case of lengthy and coherent recordings.
    3. To lessen the possibility of subjective misinterpretation of the taped material, and to provide further evidence suggestive of survival, more attempts should be made to obtain information from supposedly deceased communicators known only to the communicators themselves. Names, dates, reference to events etc. all support claims for identity by communicators. Sceptics may still put such communications down to SuperESP (the alleged ability for some mediums to receive information from the minds of sitters or from the environment, while supposing it comes from discarnate sources), the last refuge of those determined to argue against the possibility of survival, but the SuperESP argument depends upon the presence of a medium, and unless we claim mediumship on the part of the investigators it seems untenable in the case of ITC – unless of course we advance the absurd suggestions that the audio or video recorder has itself psychic abilities.
    4. To obviate charges of fraud, results need to be obtained in the presence of  sceptical scientists who can verify that all the necessary controls are in place. It’s possible that the presence of sceptical scientists might inhibit communication, as can happen during demonstrations of mediumship. But as the presence of mediums during ITC sessions does not appear to be essential, it is hard to see how inhibition by sceptics could operate.
    5. To combat the demands of the scientist for repeatability (every scientific experiment is expected – in theory at least! – to produce identical results provided that the conditions under which it is carried out are the same), ITC researchers at least need to be able to specify under what conditions results can and cannot be obtained, and then to demonstrate that these specifications are correct.

Clarity in the Messages Themselves
It hardly needs saying that greater clarity in the messages received would be especially welcomed. Few scientists to my knowledge are prepared to take the (not particularly onerous) trouble to train their ears to hear the cadences which characterise much ITC speech. It may be that achieving this clarity is as much a matter for the communicators as for researchers.
However, judging by the results now being obtained on computers (and our own results at Scole, where a specially constructed germanium device was used to pick up the signals, as explained in Keen, Ellison and Fontana, ibid 2000) it seems perfectly possible to obtain a high degree of clarity, at least under certain circumstances, and to dialogue as Meek did with the help of his Spiricom (e.g. Fuller 1987), to receive lengthy, highly coherent messages (e.g. Webster 1989), and to obtain the highly evidential findings reported by Maggie Harsch-Fischbach and her co-workers.
There is of course another point of view on ITC phenomena, namely that as the researchers achieving good results are in no doubt of the authenticity of these results, there is little point in their spending the time and energy needed to convince sceptical scientists. I am in sympathy with this point of view. It is in any case quite wrong to believe that science is the correct measure of all things. The great majority of the things that make our lives of value – from emotions such as love and empathy on the one hand to music, poetry, sculpture and the fine arts on the other – are not susceptible to scientific investigation or explanation. It may well be that ITC, like other psychic phenomena, depends on processes that lie outside the domain of the physical sciences. However, if the breathtaking implications of ITC for our understanding of ourselves, of survival of death, and of the interaction between mind and matter are to be fully realised and generally accepted, then at the very least it is necessary that science is enabled to accept the reality of the phenomena. Like it or not, the Western world is very much in the thrall of scientists, who are often accorded almost mystical reverence. Unless science agrees that something is worth investigating, the chances of it gaining the attention it deserves – and of those studying it obtaining the funding and the resources that they need – are small.
Initiatives such as that of Anabela Cardoso in founding the ITC Journal (to say nothing of the commitment of time and money she puts into producing it) are of enormous value in moving the subject forward, and in providing the forum in which ideas and research findings can be discussed. We are all enormously in her debt.
References
Ellis, D. (1978) The Mediumship of the Tape Recorder. Pulborough, W. Sussex:
Ellis Publications
Fuller, J. G. (1987) The Ghost of 29 Megacycles. London: Grafton

Keen, M., Ellison, A., and Fontana, D. (2000). The Scole Report.
Proceedings of the Society for Psychical Research 58, 220 (whole issue).
Webster, K. (1989). The Vertical Plane. London: Grafton.

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ITC AND THE DEMANDS OF SCIENCE

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Doctor Anabela Cardoso and Professor David Fontana

1 – Professor Senkowski, you are one of the pioneers of work in the field of Instrumental Transcommunication, and you actually invented the term. What first aroused your interest in the subject?

In 1974 I accidentally saw a German TV discussion between Friedrich Jürgenson – the pioneer of EVP – the parapsychologist Prof. Hans Bender and some other scientists and journalists. Jürgenson stated his conviction that he observed extraordinary voices on magnetic tapes seemingly generated by so-called dead persons. I got the impression that Jürgenson was not treated correctly and as a sceptical physicist I decided to control his observations by own experiments.

2 – What convinced you that the results are paranormal?

I started my first experiments without detailed background knowledge. The immediate results showed that Jürgenson’s assertions were true: I found understandable voices telling: ‘We are the dead’ and ‘The dead are thinking and speaking’. The characteristics were clearly paranormal.

3 – Can you tell us something of your own experiences please?

From the beginning I recorded mixed short-wave radio transmissions with a reel-to-reel machine, asking the unnamed ‘friends in the beyond’ to answer. In many cases they reacted immediately and referred to me and my surroundings.

4 – Who do you believe the communicators to be?

In official materialistic science there is no way to ‘prove’ the identity of those who apparently create the extraordinary voices. If the general idea of conscious life after death is accepted I see no reason to reject the basic validity of these communications, that is, most communicators are indeed deceased humans and possibly some “exotic” non-human entities.

5 – As a physicist, have you any theory as to how spirit communicators can influence electronic equipment such as tape recorders and radios?

A possible hypothesis consists of a simple ‘two-step’-model using parapsychological terms: A being from beyond could telepathically influence the mind of the terrestrial operator who for his part unconsciously injects the information into an electronic device by psychokinetic faculties. Probably we are not justified to treat the process in this analytic way, it is more likely to use a holistic model in which the – at least three – components cannot be separated. By logic, direct influencing of our apparatus from beyond cannot be excluded.

6 – What method of ITC do you consider to be the most successful?

The answer depends on the definition of the term “successful”. If we look for the number we may say it’s the voices on tapes, which regrettably are often of bad quality. Few cases of direct voices and especially some paranormal computer texts have shown that nearly faultless dialogues are possible.

7 – Have you any examples in your files of communicators who have given details of their lives on earth that have clearly established their identities?

In my own experience as well as in that of other experimenters, the entities tried their best to establish their identity. For instance the German operator Adolf Homes received a group of details from the late Prof. Bender’s lifetime which Homes did not know. They were afterwards found to be correct in Bender’s biography.

8 – Why do you think that your fellow scientists are still so sceptical of the paranormal, and particularly of ITC?

The official scientific community is based on materialistic paradigms which have been established through several centuries. The technical applications seem to work efficiently. Any questioning of the fundamental notions has always be rejected by the establishment during the history of science. Moreover science is a complex of human activities and many personal fears must be considered.

9 – Can anyone obtain ITC results, given the appropriate effort and commitment ? What would be your advice to beginners?

It seems that at least the voices on tapes can be realized by anyone with sufficient perseverance. The results depend upon sort of psychic ability or mediumistic faculty of the operator which to a varying extent are inherent in any individual. A beginner should work periodically not putting himself under stress, he should instead switch to a meditative state of mind. He should not become addictive and always keep his own decisions. I strongly recommend to be very careful in the interpretation of voices that are heavily distorted, disturbed or covered by noise.

10 – Do you think that the receiver’s own psychic abilities play some part in successful results?

Yes, this has been already expressed above.

11 – Anabela Cardoso’s communicators say they are from Timestream Station. Have you any direct experience of this group ?

No. My experience was only with the couple Harsch-Fischbach in Luxemburg during the 80’s of last century.

12 – What have your learned from the communicators?

As a physicist I was lead to accept the existence of extraordinary psychophysical interactions finally resulting in my interest in consciousness research. As a human with Roman Catholic upbringing I developed a spiritualistic perspective of life independent of dogmatic religion.

13 – How important is ITC when compared to other methods of spirit communication such as mediumship?

At present ITC is clearly inferior to mediumistic communications. This is mainly due to the amount of material. Nevertheless a short ITC-passage as a direct personal experience of somebody who lost his beloved may reduce grief and strongly ease the further life of the bereaved. I reject the idea that the contents and forms of ITC are more valid or “proof” than good mediumistic utterances.

14 – What do you consider to be the future of ITC?

Since the first paranormal voices have been observed in 1952 in Italy, half a century has passed and apart from a very limited number of excellent results I am unable to see much progress if not a spread-out to many countries. It has been shown that ICT in good quality is indeed possible, but so far there is no sufficient knowledge to develop special means and methods for a reliable communication. I suppose that a possible future evolution preferably depends on the development of conscious psychophysical interactions. This might be a very slow process including a change in our human and spiritual attitudes.

Thank you dear Professor Senkowski for sharing with the readers of the ITC Journal your wise opinions and your remarkable experience in the field of ITC research.

Interview with Professor Ernst Senkowski

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The Luxembourg communications represent a milestone in the history of Instrumental Transcommunication. But they have been denied, vilified as fraud and, above all, ignored.

However, the evidence obtained by Maggy and Jules Harsch-Fischbach about survival of physical death is of such importance and magnitude in the field of survival research that misinformed or ill-intentioned parapsychologists, as well as other jealous ITC operators, could not resist accusing them of hoaxing, and on the whole, preferred to ignore their results.

But the truth is that dozens of European figures of prestige and scientific knowledge witnessed, and in some cases were the recipients of those extraordinary communications.  Another ITC operator, the German Adolf Homes, simultaneously received information of great value from the same sources as the Harsch-Fischbach and the so-called cross-correspondences were an almost daily event in Luxembourg and at Homes’ in Rivenich in those days.

I publish today with great pleasure the account by a well-known and respected Finnish writer and psychical researcher, Irma Weisen, of her visit to Maggy and Jules Harsch-Fischbach in Luxembourg, years ago.

An Unexpected Contact in Luxembourg
Irma Weisen

In an early January  evening in 1992 I found myself in Luxembourg City excitedly searching for the address ‘Residence Marie Curie, Louis Pasteur Avenue’. Some time ago I had written to Maggy and Jules Harsch-Fischbach to request an interview in connection with their ITC experiments, and had received the kind answer that I was welcome to visit them as soon as the new laboratory of the Centre d’ Etudes de Transcommunication du Luxembourg (CETL) was completed.
I was living in Luxembourg at the time, and had since 1986 been able to follow the development of the Timestream contacts made by Maggy and Jules by reading their publication, ITC Info News, and by attending conferences organized by CETL. As a result I had developed a great respect for their dedicated work.
Maggy and Jules arrived punctually at the agreed time, and we met at the staircase of the Residence Marie Curie. Maggy told me that they had just visited her parents, and that they had received there a ‘phone call from their friend at Timestream Station, Swejen Salter, in which they had been told ‘Mrs Weisen is coming tonight, and the three of you must do an experiment with Meza 1’.
Meza 1 is an arrangement of electrical devices constructed at the end of 1989 by the German engineer Martin Wenzel and the investigators Jochem Fornoff and Mr. and Mrs Diplik following instructions Maggy and Jules had received from their Timestream contact group.  An experiment had been attempted with this apparatus at the Basle Psi Days (a large international conference in Switzerland devoted to the paranormal) but without success.
In the following years a number of other experiments had been attempted with it, but also without success.
We entered the very well-equipped CETL laboratory, and I saw that the Meza 1 apparatus, with a small radio-television on top, was situated in a corner near the window.  Maggy told me that Swejen Salter had instructed her to tune the radio-television to 92 metres short wave at 18.20 hours and then to seek a space in between broadcast frequencies.  Maggy, Jules and I agreed that if we obtained no results after 10 minutes of trying to make contact, we would regard the experiment as unsuccessful.
Maggy sat down in front of the apparatus and called Swejen Salter by name. I sat about one metre away, while Jules stood with a small audio tape recorder in his hand.  After some minutes of waiting, the unexpected happened. The white noise from the radio-television ceased, and we heard a soft woman’s voice, which I understood was speaking personally to me.  I was overcome with a strong feeling that the personality of my father was present. His warmth and sentiments, remembered from childhood,  flowed over me, but I tried to gather my concentration and attend to what was being said by the woman.  She spoke beautiful, nearly faultless Finnish (my native language), and I heard her last words ‘Kiitoksia paljon’ – many thanks – very clearly.  After that the same voice spoke in German and asked ‘May I speak in German because everyone understands it?’ We all understood what she said very clearly. I speak German, but my ear was not experienced enough at listening to paranormal radio voices for me to understand the next sentence, except for ‘Vielen dank’ – many thanks- at the end.
When the transmission was over, Maggy, Jules and I compared the words we had heard. Jules said that the speaker was Swejen Salter. She had first spoken my name, ‘Irma’, followed by a word that sounded like ‘Kaari’ then a word beginning with ‘Heim’.  I informed them that ‘Kaarina’ is my second Christian name, and that my maiden (unmarried) name was ‘Heimola’.
The name ‘Kaarina’ was chosen for me by my father, and he was the only person who sometimes used it to me as a pet name. Maggy and Jules told me that when there are married women present at the experimental sittings, the spirit friends call them by their maiden names, which have  been told to the spirits by the sitter’s deceased parents. The Finnish words spoken by Swejen Salter meant ‘Thank you for the relevant article you have published.  Many thanks’. She had then repeated the same message in German.  I presumed that she was referring to the last article I had written for the Finnish ‘Ultra-Magazine’.
After Swejen Salter we also heard The Technician speak, and it was very moving to hear his metallic voice. Jules informed me that he said ‘This contact was made possible by the Finnish Information Officer, Bengt Anttonen.
In subsequent years the friends at Timestream have sent me further short messages through Maggy and Jules’ computer, including an invitation to an INIT Conference in Germany. The communicators always refer to me by both my Christian names, ‘Irma Kaarina’. When I gave some lectures on ITC in Rovaniemi, Kemi and Oulu in northern Finnland in the winter of 1997, Maggy and Jules received a computer message from Swejen Salter and Bengt Anttonen for me which said ‘Thank you for work well done’. In 2000 I was told that Bengt Anttonen had tried to contact Maggy and Jules in Swedish (the second official language in Finland).
I have also been informed that two further successful contacts were received through Meza 1 after my visit, but that subsequently no more messages have come through the apparatus.

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Ernst Senkowski: The Luxembourg Connection 

Contents:

Introduction

Electronic Devices Used At Luxembourg

Observers

Communicators

Three Outstanding Examples of Contacts

     A Grosseto-Luxembourg Reference

     A Transatlantic TC-Experiment

     A Strange Cross-Correspondence

Comment

Final Remarks

References 

Introduction

From the late 1980s onwards I took part in several ITC sessions with Maggy and Jules Harsch-Fischbach in Luxembourg. In most cases my wife Adelheid was with me. The Harsch-Fischbachs (H-Fs) generously welcomed and looked after us. Around 1985, like many other experimenters, they had started ITC-work by taping extraordinary voices, and subsequently the transcommunication phenomena had developed the full acoustic and visual spectrum. In the course of this work the H-Fs founded the ‘Circle d’ Etudes sur la Transcommunication du Luxembourg’ (CETL) and began to publish a newsletter. On the strength of their excellent results they endeavoured to promote further ITC development by establishing the ‘International Network for Instrumental Transcommunication’ (INIT) in the nineties. However, in recent years the H-Fs appear to have reduced or suspended their experiments and their public work.

Electronic Devices Used in Luxembourg

With one or two exceptions the CETL operators used normal household domestic electronic equipment, such as ultra-shortwave radios, telephones, answering machines, TV-sets and a non-network computer. For some time they also used a ‘translator’, i.e. a voice-modulated high frequency oscillator. The first direct radio voices received by them came through one of two similar radio receivers tuned to around 90 MHz on the frequency of the official European personal call signal. They named this arrangement ‘Eurosignal-Bridge’. Their TV was nearly disabled, and the screen was occasionally irradiated with infrared and/or ultraviolet light. As in the case of the German experimenter Adolf Homes, the anomalous computer texts they received developed from continuous strings of words to correctly separated words and sentences.  Most voices (DRV) were of excellent clarity, and in the case of the regular communicators remained recognisably characteristic.

Observers

In the course of time many interested, quite critical and competent people observed the work of the H-Fs. As far as I know, none of them ever challenged the sincerity of the operators. Unsupported imputations of fraud came only from people without relevant background or awareness of the actual facts, which latter apparently included special psychic faculties on the part of the H-Fs. Among the well-known and well-informed observers were George W. Meek (USA), The Rev. Prof. François Brune (France),  Prof. Dr. Dr. Andreas Resch (Austria), Dr. Theo Locher (Switzerland), Tina Laurent (England), Sarah Estep (USA), Prof Walter Uphoff (USA), Burkhard Heim, Dr. Ralf Determeyer, Jochem Fornoff, Hildegard Schäfer (Germany), and physicist Ron Bryan (Great Britain). In many cases the visitors received personal messages and were able to conduct fluent conversations with the communicators.

Communicators

More than 50 different entities communicated, making shorter or longer contacts, and often spontaneously addressing the attendees. The subjects dealt with included general topics and responses to questions. Some communicators apparently belonged to a group called Timestream (Co-Time), the members of which stressed the need to synchronize their time concepts with ours.

From the beginning the late pioneer of VOT (Voices on Tape or EVP), Konstantin Raudive, played an important role in the communications, dealing principally with philosophical and humanistic matters.

The leading communicator, whom the experimenters called the ‘Technician’, described himself as a ‘non-human entity’. As such he seemed to find difficulty in adapting to our human thought patterns. He typically introduced and closed the contacts, and there was something of the stern ‘angel’ about him, with his use of extremes such as ‘good’ and ‘bad’ in the style of the Old Testament.

The female communicator who gave her name as Swejen Salter, (an anagram in German of ‘enigmatic being’), described herself as a deceased scientist from the parallel world Varid, who after her death transited to the higher-dimensional world Marduk, and from there established the contacts with the Earth. Through the mediation of the H-Fs, I exchanged several scientifically based computer-texts with her, and discovered that she found it extremely difficult if not impossible to translate her explanations into human concepts.

 Three Outstanding Contacts

As mentioned above, the H-Fs had to face violent attacks that in the light of the abundance and quality of the evidence were completely unjustified. Three examples of this evidence suffice to reliably prove that the communications received were unquestionably ‘paranormal’.

A Grosseto-Luxembourg Reference

The first example is quite straightforward.  On June 6, 1986, I had received an instrumental transcommunication at Marcello Bacci’s studio at Grosseto in Italy. The communicating entity, Cordula Alain, addressed me by name and spoke the German sentence Die Abstellkammer ist letzte (the lumber-room is last), obviously referring to the fate of my father who in 1959 was shifted to the lumber-room of the hospital shortly before his death.  On September 6 of the same year, I was in Luxembourg for the first time, together with my wife. The deceased communicator Konstantin Raudive addressed me with the sentence Sie haben den Satz empfangen von der Abstellkammer (You have received the sentence of the lumber-room). Please, dear readers – can anyone tell me how by normal means the H-Fs in Luxembourg could have known the remark made by Cordula to me in Grosseto in order to give me this sentence?

Raudive then went on to say For once it must be said: as long as you have not solved the problem of death and made dying humane, the whole progress of humanity is of little worth. Till that point in time you will stay half-conscious animals. The human as a partly spacetimeless being belongs to the most varied fields and dimensions.

2  A Transatlantic TC Experiment

The second outstanding example, known as ‘A transatlantic TC experiment’, consisted of a number of interconnected stages, as explained in due course below.

On the evening of April 22nd 1987 (previous to the first of these stages), George W. Meek from Franklin, North Carolina, USA, the former promoter of the Spiricom transcommunications, while unaware of the telephone number of the H-Fs, informed me by telephone that the transgroup Lifeline, with which he was in touch through a medium, had announced that they intended to contact the H-Fs in Luxembourg via Zeitstrom (Timestream) the following day at a pre-arranged time. I left a message to this effect on the H-Fs’ answer-phone, and shortly afterwards received their reply that they were willing to participate in the experiment. Subsequently, at 7 p.m. on April 23rd 1987, they reported the successful outcome in Luxembourg, which involved four distinct stages.

1) The Technician announced the existence of the experiment in German, and then handed over to the transgroup Lifeline.

2) Maggy H-F then conversed for three minutes with Lifeline communicator Nelson D. Rockefeller in English, a conversation that was interrupted several times by a normal radio transmission on 90 MHz.

3) The Technician then closed the contact, speaking in German.

4) On the suggestion of the Technician, Maggy H-F informed Mr. Meek and myself by telephone of these results.

In this really spectacular case we are confronted with a complex holistic process, partly telepathic (mediumistic) in the USA, partly instrumental in Luxembourg, and supported by several technical telecommunication links. The experiment constitutes a documented objective verification of the ‘one-world-concept’ and of the expanded quantum theoretical entanglement.

3  A Strange Cross-Correspondence

The third example occurred on June 19th, 1991.  After the announcement by the communicators of an imminent transcontact, the German ITC operator Adolf Homes, before leaving his home in Rivenich, switched on his receiving devices. On his return he found these devices were switched off. The tape-recorder stood on end and contained a 10 minute recording of a message from a communicator using the name Hans Bender (a famous deceased Parapsychologist from Freiburg/Germany). In a subsequent telephone conversation with the H-Fs, Adolf learned (as he afterwards confirmed to me by letter) that at precisely the same time, the identical message had arrived in Luxembourg on the PC, framed by two additional remarks from Homes’ deceased mother Elise Karoline at Station Centrale. Only three unimportant differences could be found between the recording received by Homes and the computer text received by the H-Fs.  The details of the messages, translated into English, are given below.  First there is an introductory passage received only in Luxembourg, and then there is the (slightly abbreviated) identical message received both in Luxembourg by the H-Fs and in Germany by Adolf Homes.  Finally there is a postscript received only in Luxembourg.

Introductory Passage Received Only in Luxemburg

Station Centrale to station Luxemburg 19-06-91 10:30 Elise Caroline Homes greets all (those) interested from stations Centrale and Timestream. To furnish a further proof of our collaboration we transmit to you a text that this day has been put through also to my son Adolf. I hand the device over to a newcomer in our group.

 Identical Communication Received Both in Luxemburg and in Rivenich (slightly abbreviated)

Here is a contact from the deceased Hans Bender from Freiburg ….. You are right in your decision to be sparing with publications since you are still a target of ridicule for too many people. ….. Each of you receives those contacts from us which we deem appropriate on the basis of your state of consciousness and the state/condition of your souls. ….. I am visiting Freiburg and am feeling very well. ….. Very pleased was I when at my passing (among others) I noticed Raudive. I was even very pleased about a scientist deceased before me, who during (his) lifetime had been an objector to our (post-mortem) existence. We were opponents only on your side [i.e. on Earth]. ….. As to the immortal soul, so we tell you that it is present in the entire universe and can be everywhere at the same time. It feels sadness and happiness as we do. But there are men who are closer to their souls than others. We (the) dead aim at creating an instrument by which positive men are enabled to contact our mental/spiritual world. Please give my regards to Dr. Senkowski, Dr. Delavre, Mr. Meek, as well as to Dr. Determeyer and Mr. Steiner. Contact ended.

 Only in Luxemburg:

Hans insists on saying that he regrets the matter/affair of Strassburg. He had to experience personally what doubt can represent ….. I close this contact. Elise Karoline Homes.

Comment

Considering all the relevant circumstances we have to exclude normal explanations for the voice received by Adolf Homes and for the computer-text received in Luxembourg. A further two important considerations support the non-locality (and therefore anomalous nature) of these proceedings.  Firstly, an astonishing phenomenon occurred in connection with Alfons Steiner, an Austrian parapsychologist, whose acquaintanceship with Bender was unknown to all the individuals involved in the above examples. When questioned by myself, Alfons surprisingly explained that in a conversation with Prof. Bender in Vienna on May 29th 1984 on the subject of the continuance of life after death and the reality of transcommunications he had expressed his scepticism, to which Bender had responded by promising that ‘if possible after his death he would send him a sign of survival via a third party’.

Secondly, an impressive fact is the enigmatic reference by Bender in the postscript received only in Luxembourg to the fact that he regrets the matter/affair of Strassburg. Elmar Gruber, a former student of Prof. Bender who wrote the biography of his teacher, told me that during his time in Strassburg Hans Bender had played a trick in order to ‘prove’ the presumed fraud practised by a volunteer. This unethical behaviour had almost cost him the support of his sponsor.

Final Remarks

I would like to close this article by quoting a message from the deceased Konstantin Raudive on December 4th 1988 concerning  the limited value of the anthropomorphic causality concept that is intimately associated with the linear time-flow concept.

The basic error of the as yet predominating material science with you consists in that you try to apply the law of cause and effect, which is correct within a limited area of your existence, to all appearances, even to those where it has no validity.

Less informed insiders and complete outsiders might rightfully question the meaning and significance of ITC. There are probably as many answers to this question as there are enquirers, which means we have to deal with a high degree of subjectivity. It is quite comprehensible that most ITC practitioners will be satisfied by a convincing voice seemingly coming from a ‘departed’ relative. But for a philosopher or a scientist the whole complex subject is regarded as challenging the persistent validity of our ‘normal’ world-view. Nearly one hundred years after the development of relativity and quantum theory, advanced scientists at last are beginning to recognise the fundamental importance of consciousness in constructing and structuring our ‘world’, typically through the use of language.  This constructed ‘world’ is not only a theoretical concept, it has been shown (e.g. by William Tiller) in careful laboratory work that the human mind, with suitable motivation and under suitable conditions, can in fact actually alter so-called natural laws. This is evidenced by the results of ITC and by the results of the scientific ‘Global Consciousness Project GCP’ initiated by Roger Nelson that demonstrated that some measurable modifications of electronic noise are correlated with world-wide emotional events.

In my view there is nothing miraculous about any form of what is described as mind-matter interaction if we regard matter as a ‘frozen’ form of consciousness. In the light of this it would be odd if we could not influence matter or even dematerialize and rematerialize ‘objects’.  However, our inability to do so ad lib makes sense when we consider that our irrational human emotions would soon lead us to create chaos.

In addition to these theoretical considerations the validity of ITC is also recognisable by virtue of the fact that the content of ITC communications is frequently in agreement with the utterances of some mediums. In both instances stress is placed firstly upon the need for us to modify our conscious perception and evaluation of our experiences, and secondly and even more urgently upon the need to accentuate our spiritual development by means of responsible love in all its forms, leading ultimately to the transrational mystical states that may anticipate our irrevocable unity in and with the All-That-Is.

References

Theo Locher – Maggy Harsch: ‘Transcomunicacão’ (Portuguese). Editora Pensamento, Sao Paulo (1992)

Ernst Senkowski: ‘Transcommunication’ (English). http://www.worlditc.org -> Books

20.12.2009

The ITC Corner

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David:   We have talked a great deal about your experiences with EVP and with the Direct Radio Voice (DRV).  But have you any experience of messages through other media – for example through the fax or the telephone?

 Anabela:   Yes, as a matter of fact I started receiving paranormal messages through the telephone in May 2001.  These consisted of a few words of identification (for example my father, who said ‘Sou o Pai’, I am father), whispers, and other strange sounds.  The first seemingly paranormal telephone call was a message left on my mobile phone.  Since then I have had several other messages, always in the form of messages left either on the mobile phone or on the answer phone in my house, where they are still stored.   Interestingly, in two or three of these calls Timestream clearly identify themselves by saying ‘Rio de Tempo’.      

 David:   What about computer messages?

Anabela:   I’ve tried the so-called Schreiber method for receiving paranormal computer images, and I received some of both humans and animals.  In fact I used one of these on the cover of the last issue of the ITC Journal.  I should add that lately – as a result of time pressures – I unfortunately have not been able to continue trying for images.  I dedicate all my energies to audio work, which in any case seems much more meaningful to me because you can receive more extensive information about the next world through this media.

 David:   Do you find the computer useful to your work in other ways?

 Anabela:   Yes of course.  The computer is a good tool for my audio work in that I can use  software that enables me to listen repeatedly to the individual voices for the purposes of detailed analysis.  This software also enables me to use strategies such as noise reduction and equalisation to help me comprehend audio messages that are less clear.  As you know, the majority of direct radio voices (DRV) are accompanied by strong background white noise, and the computer allows me to reduce this.

 David:  What software do you use? 

Anabela:   I find ‘Sound Forge’ particularly helpful, but there are many other relevant programmes.  It’s largely a matter of personal preference.

 David:   In your article in the previous issue of the ITC Journal you explained how to modify a radio in order to receive only wide band white noise.  Yet in the same article you say that it is not a good idea to use a white noise tape.  What advantages does the wide band have over a white noise tape?

 Anabela:   This is a little difficult to explain.  The wide band agglomerates, or adds together, all the radio frequencies across the range of transmissions.  Thus – if I can put it this way – it ‘deconstructs’ or ‘scrambles’ the voices contained in these transmissions.  So we can say that although it doesn’t actually carry any audible normal voices, normal voice sounds are still potentially present within it.  By contrast, a white noise tape has never had any normal voices associated with it.   My theory is that the deconstructed voice sounds contained within wide band assist the communicators in some way.  Perhaps the communicators are able to remodulate these voice sounds and to build their own words from them.

David:   From time to time you receive messages through the DRV method which give you details of the world from which the communicators say they are speaking.  What have you learnt about this world? 

Anabela:   It’s very difficult to summarise, because I have received such extensive information.  Briefly, and in Timestream’s own words, it’s ‘A world very similar’ to our own – only much more beautiful.  However, the values of their world are, as they put it, ‘very different’ from ours. Timestream tell us that these values emphasise the equality of all life.  In reply to my question about the relationships between humans, animals and plants once they reach Timestream’s world, they informed me that ‘Here in the world of  Timestream we are all equal’.  Therefore  humans are not placed above animals and the rest of creation.  In addition, extraordinary capacities such as telepathy, transportation by thought alone, and the ability to be in two places at once with full consciousness, belong to their world.  Such capacities are shared by everyone.

David:   Do you understand that everyone goes to their world after death?

 Anabela:   Carlos de Almeida, speaking from Timestream, answered my question about the survival of plants by telling me  ‘Don’t forget that plants are beings of your world.  From that world all pass into ours’.

 David:   And presumably progress is possible in their world.  Many of the great spiritual traditions speak of the possibility of this progress, as do many other communicators (for example Arthur Conan Doyle speaking through Grace Cook, Frederick Myers speaking through Geraldine Cummings, and of course the Imperator Group speaking through Stainton Moses).

Anabela:   I haven’t asked Timestream about progress in their world, but I have asked them about progress in this one.  They tell me for instance, that suffering is very important for our spiritual progress.  They also tell me that all beings in our world feel emotions and all feel suffering.

David:   Have they told you anything about reincarnation?  I imagine people often ask you that question.

Anabela:  Yes, I’ve asked them if reincarnation is a reality, and their answer is ‘Only if there is no other way’.  This suggests to me that rebirth into our world is a possibility, but that it is only one of the paths towards spiritual progress and development.  I assume there are many options open to us, and the one that we take may depend upon what we still have to learn.  I assume also that more advanced beings will be there to provide help and guidance when it comes to decision-making.

Now can I ask if you are making any reference to ITC in your new book?

 David:   My latest book is on Psychology, Religion and Spirituality, and it may contain a brief reference to ITC.  But it doesn’t really deal with the area.  However, I’m now planning a book on survival research in general, and this will certainly say among other things a great deal about your experimental results, and the results of the many other serious investigators who have given us details of their findings.

Anabela:   Will you be expressing any reservations about the subject?

David:  One of the main things I intend to stress is that experimenters should be very cautious about the claims they make for their results.  You make this point yourself in your article in the last issue of the ITC Journal.  Ambitious claims that cannot be fully substantiated only make people (especially scientists) very suspicious.  And such claims therefore discredit the whole field.  Also some of the published work quoting communications verbatim can give the impression that such communications are heard as clearly as the normal human voice.  And as we both know, this is rarely the case.  So when people who have read this work and who are new to ITC hear recordings of these messages, they end up disappointed and dismissive of the subject.

I also intend to stress the time, energy, commitment and sensitivity needed if communications are to be obtained.  ITC work isn’t easy, and certainly isn’t for the casual investigator, as you yourself have made clear.

Let me finish by thanking you again Anabela for sharing your experience with us so fully and so openly.  Your work is an inspiration to everyone interested in the field.

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ITC Corner: David Fontana in dialogue with Anabela Cardoso (Part III)

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David: You told me in Part I of our dialogue (ITC Journal No 7) how you started receiving communications, firstly through EVP and then through ITC in the form of direct radio voices (DRV).  You also gave some guidance on how others can start experimenting themselves.  Let’s go on from there.  Once you started to receive communications, how consistent were they?  Did you get results every time you tried?

 

Anabela:  No, I didn’t get results every time and I still do not.  But I do get them frequently.

 

David: Do the communications vary much in quality?

 

Anabela: Yes they do.  The answers by EVP are sometimes faint, sometimes quite loud.  Sometimes they are clear, and at others they are difficult to understand.  The DRV voices are in the process of development by the communicators, so they can be loud and  distorted at times, and at other times quite faint.  I understand the communicators to tell me that clarity also depends upon the spiritual development of the person or persons communicating.  For example when Carlos de Almeida was communicating with me his speech was much more sustained and much clearer than that of anybody else.  Joan Colbert (I use the names that the communicators have given me) and two or three of the others who have communicated have also been very clear.  But it seems that the personnel at Timestream* Station, who are the ones with whom I am in touch, change from time to time.  New communicators take a little while to develop clarity.

 

David:  Why do the personnel change?

 

Anabela:  I understand it is because they sometimes move to higher levels in the next world, where communication with us becomes more difficult.  This seems to be also the case with the communicators who come through mediums.

 

David:  So at what level of the afterlife is Timestream Station?

 

Anabela:  I can’t really answer that.  Of course I know what is written about the different levels of the afterlife, but I have never asked Timestream for precise details of their location.  However, I do have the impression that they operate at a high level.  Some of the communicators seem to be advanced beings.

 

David:  Do they appear to be aware of what you are doing even when you’re not in direct contact with them?

 

Anabela:  Certainly.  They seem aware of everything that is going on in my environment, even visually.  For example they gave the full name of a new maid I had just appointed even before I knew it, and commented on the fact that she had arrived in my home.  And they comment on pieces of new equipment that I obtain for my recording studio, and even on the presents I’ve bought and on my cats and dogs.

 

David:  Since you mention cats and dogs, what do the communicators tell you about animals in the next world?

 

Anabela:  They say that not only do they survive physical death, but that survival is a natural law for all living things, including plants.  In addition, all living systems seem to contribute to the project of communication.  They also tell me there seems to be an equality of status among these systems, but I don’t know how that works out in practical terms.

 

David:  You obviously devote a great deal of time and effort to this work.

 

Anabela:  Certainly.  I now have literally hundreds of audio tapes containing communications from DRV, and I listen in four or five times a week.  In addition, I put the voices through my computer, using Sound Forge software, which helps me to clean up some of the white noise and thus to hear the communications more clearly.  Nowadays, the communicators usually give me some guidance as to when they plan to communicate, which helps save my time.  Sometimes they even tell me to leave the radios and the other equipment switched on when I am not there so that they can experiment with them for voice production, even though they do not intend actually to communicate with me on that occasion.

 

David:  Do you leave the radios at full volume at such times?

 

Anabela:  As you know I use five radios, each tuned in to different white noise wavelengths, and the communicators ask me to use full volume for DRV, and much softer levels for EVP (although on the instructions of the communicators I now concentrate on DRV and no longer work with EVP).

 

David:  Do you notice any difference in the quality of the white noise when you are instructed to leave the radios on for long periods?

 

Anabela:  Many many differences.  Sometimes the sound completely ceases for no normal reason.  At other times it resembles a whistling noise, and at others a machine gun or a steam train.  And it can become very soft.  Sometimes I hear voices coming through the white noise repeating the same words over and over again (for example ‘We are the dead of Timestream’) as if simply practicing ways of improving the sound.

 

David: When they are actually communicating with you, what sort of things do they say?  Do they give personal details of their own lives while on Earth – the kind of details upon which we can check?  Do they give you insights into spiritual philosophy?

 

Anabela: They give me their names in response to my questions, but I have never requested biographical details from them.  My father and my brother and other family members have also communicated and given me their names.  And yes, the communicators give me many philosophical insights, which I will go into in detail in a future issue of the ITC Journal.  The subject is vast, and learning more about it has in fact been the main purpose of my questions.  Now I’d like to finish by asking you a question David.  You told me a little about the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) last time we spoke, and as a Past President and now a Life Vice President can you tell me what is the attitude of the Society to ITC?

 

David: As I explained last time, the Society takes no official line on any of the phenomena that it studies.  This is the case with most scientific societies.  If a society has an official line on things, this gives the impression that all its members agree with that line, and in science things have to be left more open than this.  Thus the Society has nothing formal to say about ITC, and leaves members to study the evidence for themselves if they so wish, and to make up their own minds.  Some members are interested in doing so and others are not.  The main problem has been to produce results that cannot be explained away by normal means.  I’ve heard ITC tapes that don’t convince me, and I am sure you have.  When listening to white noise it’s all too easy to persuade yourself that you hear words when in fact no words are there.  Tapes of that kind give ITC a bad name with some researchers.  But the SPR has no prejudice against ITC, and some of us, myself of course included, are actively and enthusiastically researching into the subject.   All we need are a few more results as good as yours and produced under the careful controls that you use in your work.

 

Anabela:  And as you know, there are many people worldwide who are now achieving consistently good results.  I’m very optimistic about the future.

 

David:  Anabela, thanks for talking to me.

 

*Note: Timestream is the English term for Rio do Tempo.

To be continued

 

 

ITC CORNER David Fontana in Dialogue with Anabela Cardoso: Part II

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             David Fontana in Dialogue with    Anabela Cardoso.  Part I

David.  Anabela, you are doing so much both to experiment with ITC and to publicise the importance of ITC.  How did you first become interested in this work?

Anabela.  I became interested after reading about the pioneering work of Raudive and Jurgenson, and reading the books on the subject by Hildegard Schaffer and by Maggy Harsch-Fischbach in collaboration with Theo Locher.

David.  What appealed to you about all this?

Anabela.  Firstly, it seemed to provide evidence of another world after death, and secondly it promised the tangibility of ITC work.  That is, it seemed to offer the opportunity to get away from traditional mediumship, and to provide us with a technique for contacting the next world that is open to everyone.

David.  So you decided to begin experimenting yourself?

Anabela.  After a great deal of hesitation.  I was a little bit frightened at first by the idea of eventually hearing voices from another world.  There is also some literature that suggests all attempts to communicate with the next world may open the door to negative forces.

David.  You mean so-called earthbound spirits?

Anabela.  Yes.  Some of the literature talks about possession by such spirits, and also possession by other evil psychic influences.

David.  How did you overcome your fear?

Anabela. Through acts of will and of love.  An act of will in the sense of a deep desire to find out the truth about life and death – a truth that has always interested me.  And an  act of love in the sense of a strong desire to communicate with family members who have died and who I miss very much.

David.  How did your experiments start?

Anabela.  I began with the classical method of EVP.  That is, I recorded some background white noise, in this case the hiss on the radio when it is tuned between two stations.  While doing this recording I asked questions aloud to whoever might be able to communicate with me, and I waited for a pre-determined lapse of time – say betweeen one and two minutes – after each question in order to allow a possible communicator to answer me and to be recorded on the tape.  Jurgenson and Raudive both used this method.  Then after about 10 minutes I stopped the tape, re-wound it and played it back.  During this play-back, I began to hear answers to my questions.

David.  You didn’t hear these answers during the actual recording?

Anabela.  No.  As is usual with this method, you hear nothing at all except the white noise during the recording.  The voices responding to your questions only become evident on play-back.

David.  How long do you have to experiment before you are likely to receive these voices?

Anabela.  That depends.  Each experimenter is different.  In my case it took less than three months, experimenting twice a week for 10 or 15 minutes each time.

David.  Three months seems very quick.

Anabela.  That’s true.  I know of people who have tried for over two years without results.  But other people may receive voices after a very few attempts.  There doesn’t seem to be any rule about this.  Or if there is, it is unknown to us.  But from our point of view, the essential rule is to have patience and commitment.

David.  You certainly have both of these qualities Anabela!  And your results are very impressive.  Can you tell us briefly what you feel these results have achieved?

Anabela.  Initially, I began to receive very clear EVP voices.  As I’ve said, these began when I had  been working with the tape recorder for less than three months.

David.  What did the voices tell you?

Anabela.  They answered questions of both a spiritual and a technical nature.  I never asked personal questions.  Then after less than another three months, I received a very exciting break-through.  On day, while working for EVP (I had four radios each producing white noise simultaneously by this time) I suddenly heard a very loud voice coming directly from the loudspeaker of one of the radios.  The question I had just asked was whether all the voices I received were coming from what we can call Timestream Station.  And the answer I got from the radio said “we are listening to everything … we want to know about the world … we want to hear about your affairs … from now on we will count on you … we will offer to you what is just and fair … this is very difficult … another world”.  Of course, the voice spoke in Portuguese, and this is just a translation.  A few words of the words were in fact in Spanish.  On a later occasion, the voice identified itself as that of Carlos de Almeida, of the Portuguese group of Timestream Station.

David.  You say Carlos spoke in Spanish as well as in Portuguese?

Anabela.  Yes.  This is very important.  The voices seem to use the various languages that you are able to speak.  I am fluent in Spanish, English, French and of course Portuguese.  I also speak some German and Italian.  So I may have voices in all these languages.

 David.  How did the radio voices develop after this first experience?

Anabela. I started with two friends and after a few months continued alone.  The voices spoke frequently, as they still do.  They seemed to be working on improving communication.  As the work progressed, the intelligibility of the speech improved, as did the length of the replies, thus allowing in many cases a comprehensive dialogue.

David.  Are the voices always clear?

Anabela.  No.  Some are clearer than others.  For example the voices of my family members are less clear, probably because they have had less practice at communicating than the other members of Timestream Station.  It is apparent that the whole process of communication is still very difficult for those in the next world.  Which is exactly what we might expect.  I feel so grateful to them all for the energy and the dedication they are putting into this work.

But David, I’d like to ask you a question now.  You are an eminent psychologist who has held full professorships in three universities.  You have written many books which  have been translated into 25 languages.  It is very unusual for a scientist like you to be interested in psychical research.  How did your interest start?

David.  I can’t remember a time in my life when I wasn’t interested in psychical research, because like you it seems to me that psychical research may answer our questions about the nature of life and death, about the relationship between the mind and the brain, and of course about survival.

Anabela.  So it was for this reason that you joined and eventually became President of the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) in Britain.  You are still a Life Vice President of the Society, and Chair of the Society’s Survival Research Committee.  So tell me a little about the SPR.

David.  The SPR is the oldest scientific society for psychical research in the world.  It was founded over 120 years ago by a group of leading scholars from the University of Cambridge.  Many leading British, European and American scientists have been members, as have two past British Prime Ministers, Gladstone and Balfour.  Twelve Nobel Prizewinners have been members, as have many famous writers and philosophers.  Freud and Jung were both members.

Anabela.  In its long history, has the SPR produced conclusive proof of the existence of psychic phenomena, and in particular of the reality of survival?

David.  Like nearly all scientific societies, the SPR has no formal position on the nature of the phenomena it studies.  It doesn’t hold corporate views.  So each member comes to  his or her own conclusions after studying the evidence.  My personal conclusion leads me to answer yes to both parts of your question.

Anabela.  What about ITC?  Is the SPR interested?  In the work that you and I are now doing together as collaborators, you have heard clear EVP and direct radio voices.  These voices have even answered you in English.

David.  That’s true.  And these results are enormously impressive.  I think the time is now right for all serious scientific bodies interested in psychical research to begin to study ITC.  In the past there was doubt as to whether ITC voices might be stray radio signals, and also doubt as to what the voices were actually saying.  But the subject has developed and moved on greatly in recent years, and in my view we can now safely eliminate natural explanations for the phenomena.  And this being the case, we can start to ask whether the voices provide clear proof of survival and of the existence of other worlds.  What are your feelings about this?

Anabela.  Until and unless proven otherwise, the voices appear to give us direct evidence of survival and of these other worlds, and of the continuing existence of deceased relatives and friends.  So I would have to say that yes, I do think ITC demonstrates survival – in fact that it provides us with some of the strongest evidence for survival obtained after more than a century of psychical research.

Can I finish David by thanking you very much for dialoguing with me, and for the work that we are doing together.  I feel very optimistic about the future.

 

To be continued

David Fontana in Dialogue with Anabela Cardoso (Part I)

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